thibaulthalpern
Apr 5, 05:11 PM
Headset jack was removed, so had to buy a USB headset for example.
Headset jack was removed from the Mac? Since when? New Mac laptops have combined headset/microphone jack.
Headset jack was removed from the Mac? Since when? New Mac laptops have combined headset/microphone jack.
OdduWon
Oct 16, 10:23 PM
The world is ready for the "computer we carry" that "syncs with the computer at home and work."
The iPhone will also let Apple hook the user into the whole Apple experience by giving cell users what no cell company has done: a good cell phone operating system, with friendly software.
If Apple misses this opportunity, it will be the defining moment in its history.
hope for origami killer but this will probbaly be the new TelePod :eek:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jonathaniliff/blah.jpg
The iPhone will also let Apple hook the user into the whole Apple experience by giving cell users what no cell company has done: a good cell phone operating system, with friendly software.
If Apple misses this opportunity, it will be the defining moment in its history.
hope for origami killer but this will probbaly be the new TelePod :eek:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/jonathaniliff/blah.jpg
henrikrox
May 3, 03:52 PM
gah, seriously apple needs to talk to geforce/ati and get some decent drivers, cause the beta is so much smoother in bootcamp.
shame, with steam incoming soon.
i will never play sc2 on mac as it is now
shame, with steam incoming soon.
i will never play sc2 on mac as it is now
Peace
Mar 26, 04:06 PM
Just because their demeanor is civil does not mean their exchange is.
STEVE: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
ERIC: Yes.
Are you saying Steve is the new Man In Black from Lost ? :p
STEVE: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
ERIC: Yes.
Are you saying Steve is the new Man In Black from Lost ? :p
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iGary
Sep 13, 08:39 AM
Hey Gary... don't worry.
Had it myself for the first time just over 6 weeks ago for major surgery.
It's not like sleep at all: no dreaming, no tossing & turning etc.
In my case, the anaesthetist was in a small room off from the main theater. I was wheeled in on my bed. Some lines were inserted into my left hand and forearm, he disappeared behind me to check something... we chatted for a few seconds and then... I woke up in a large sunny room.
It will seem like a handful of seconds will have passed since the anaesthetist induced full anaesthesia and waking up in the recovery room. Depending on the surgery they will have already put you on post-op pain relief and you may just feel fine and dandy like I did. Upon awakening, they will probably ask you a few simple questions to ascertain your mental state.
Afterwards, you may be thirsty -- don't gulp water, though. It can leave you feeling nauseous. If you can manage it, it's also quite nice to have something a little starchy yet easy to digest like half a banana or a cookie, if doctors allow you to take food.
Afterwards, I was on a morphine drip for 5 days and oral painkillers for the entire time in hospital -- I'm still on them now but a much-reduced dose...
It's important to mobilise yourself as soon as the nurses let you. Take little gentle walks around the place -- gets the circulation, respiration and digestive system up and running.
Glad to hear you are OK sweets!
I've done my share of chemicals in my past :rolleyes: but this is a little scary for me.
I'm sure it will be fine.
That, and my neurosurgeon is dreamy. :D
Had it myself for the first time just over 6 weeks ago for major surgery.
It's not like sleep at all: no dreaming, no tossing & turning etc.
In my case, the anaesthetist was in a small room off from the main theater. I was wheeled in on my bed. Some lines were inserted into my left hand and forearm, he disappeared behind me to check something... we chatted for a few seconds and then... I woke up in a large sunny room.
It will seem like a handful of seconds will have passed since the anaesthetist induced full anaesthesia and waking up in the recovery room. Depending on the surgery they will have already put you on post-op pain relief and you may just feel fine and dandy like I did. Upon awakening, they will probably ask you a few simple questions to ascertain your mental state.
Afterwards, you may be thirsty -- don't gulp water, though. It can leave you feeling nauseous. If you can manage it, it's also quite nice to have something a little starchy yet easy to digest like half a banana or a cookie, if doctors allow you to take food.
Afterwards, I was on a morphine drip for 5 days and oral painkillers for the entire time in hospital -- I'm still on them now but a much-reduced dose...
It's important to mobilise yourself as soon as the nurses let you. Take little gentle walks around the place -- gets the circulation, respiration and digestive system up and running.
Glad to hear you are OK sweets!
I've done my share of chemicals in my past :rolleyes: but this is a little scary for me.
I'm sure it will be fine.
That, and my neurosurgeon is dreamy. :D
JustBobPro
Nov 6, 08:14 AM
We use RFID chips in ID card for public transportation here in the Netherlands. I can't say it's the most efficient system but I can see the potential of having one set up in a device you carry with you all the time like an iPhone.
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KindredMAC
Oct 6, 12:07 PM
I hate analysts.... Always have... Always will.......
The fact that these morons are paid massive amounts of money and see shameful gain in bonuses every year for what??? Making sh�t up and putting it out in a press release and foolish rich people, aka "investors", actually listen to these ramblings....
Where's the PUKE button?
The fact that these morons are paid massive amounts of money and see shameful gain in bonuses every year for what??? Making sh�t up and putting it out in a press release and foolish rich people, aka "investors", actually listen to these ramblings....
Where's the PUKE button?
Blue Velvet
Oct 27, 06:11 PM
Hope some of you guys will make it to the annual Macrumors London Picnic, usually in July or so. :)
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Eraserhead
Jun 10, 03:02 PM
Well software all is mostly OK, but there is a lot of stuff still in Mac OS X (which is now in the root of Old Categories) still to be moved.
349 edits later, and I'm calling it a day.
349 edits later, and I'm calling it a day.
Takuta-Nui
Mar 20, 03:48 PM
This gave me the idea of a combined AppleCare plan. Since Apple is pitching their mobile computing products in three major categories: iPhone, iPad, and MacBook - it would be really cool to offer a combined AC plan for two or all three categories.
Like I have a iPhone and a MacBook - wouldn't it be neat to be able to buy a hybrid plan that would be about $20 to $30 cheaper than buying them individually?
Like I have a iPhone and a MacBook - wouldn't it be neat to be able to buy a hybrid plan that would be about $20 to $30 cheaper than buying them individually?
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MacRumors
Mar 19, 03:44 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/19/apple-offering-discounted-ipad-10-packs-to-educational-institutions/)
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hibiscus flowers tattoos.
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Hibiscus Tattoo Designs.
A hibiscus flower worn behind
Hibiscus Flower Tattoo Designs
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iMeowbot
Oct 17, 04:40 PM
Apple has filed for trademarks in: the US, the UK, the EU, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and others.
Ocean was already noted here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2952028&postcount=49) and here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2952239&postcount=61) :)
Madrid Protocol designations also attached to the US application on file with WIPO (http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-ALL.vdb+11+1162071-KEY+256+1+10642+F-ENG+1+1+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,IMAGE+iphone): Antigua & Barbuda, Albania, Armenia , Netherlands Antilles, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Bhutan, Belarus, Cuba, Cyprus, Georgia, Croatia, Iran, Iceland, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Liechtenstein, Lesotho, Morocco, Monaco, Moldova, FYROM, Mongolia, Mozambique, Namibia, Romania, Sierra Leone, Syria, Swaziland, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Vietnam, [YU country code; probably Serbia], Zambia.
Ocean was already noted here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2952028&postcount=49) and here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2952239&postcount=61) :)
Madrid Protocol designations also attached to the US application on file with WIPO (http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-ALL.vdb+11+1162071-KEY+256+1+10642+F-ENG+1+1+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,IMAGE+iphone): Antigua & Barbuda, Albania, Armenia , Netherlands Antilles, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Bhutan, Belarus, Cuba, Cyprus, Georgia, Croatia, Iran, Iceland, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Liechtenstein, Lesotho, Morocco, Monaco, Moldova, FYROM, Mongolia, Mozambique, Namibia, Romania, Sierra Leone, Syria, Swaziland, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Vietnam, [YU country code; probably Serbia], Zambia.
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designgeek
Jun 11, 02:49 AM
Perhaps, but T-Mobile's major problem is coverage rather than saturation. (Although T-Mobile has filled in its gaps primarily with AT&T coverage agreements.) There aren't all that many people competing for AWS 3G service right now, even in places like New York and San Francisco, and that's precisely where the AT&T-only iPhone needs help.
Precisely. Tmo owns about 33% of the wireless spectrum in New York 45% of the wireless spectrum in San Fran according to this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#3G_upgrade)
Apple already sells the iPhone on T-Mobile; at least in Germany. If you really want to, just unlock one and pop in a TM sim card (try doing that on Verizon). Sure you won't get to play scrabble at 3G speeds on TM, but it's not like you'd be able to on AT&T. ;)
And in many other countries as well. I counted nine here (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1937) plus I believe Tmo is carrying it in the UK as well.
@ SAD*FACED*CLOWN IIRC they did not have the kind of deal where they allowed anyone with expiring contracts at anytime for the rest of 2008 or 2009 to upgrade at the full upgrade price. Also I think what I do partially because of the publicity around this deal.
Precisely. Tmo owns about 33% of the wireless spectrum in New York 45% of the wireless spectrum in San Fran according to this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#3G_upgrade)
Apple already sells the iPhone on T-Mobile; at least in Germany. If you really want to, just unlock one and pop in a TM sim card (try doing that on Verizon). Sure you won't get to play scrabble at 3G speeds on TM, but it's not like you'd be able to on AT&T. ;)
And in many other countries as well. I counted nine here (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1937) plus I believe Tmo is carrying it in the UK as well.
@ SAD*FACED*CLOWN IIRC they did not have the kind of deal where they allowed anyone with expiring contracts at anytime for the rest of 2008 or 2009 to upgrade at the full upgrade price. Also I think what I do partially because of the publicity around this deal.
SevenInchScrew
Jun 17, 10:47 PM
So the only model they're going to sell is the Elite Slim one once the supplies on the current Arcade and Pro are out?
I give up. I'm not the droid you're looking for. Move along. Move along.
I give up. I'm not the droid you're looking for. Move along. Move along.
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RWA MC
Apr 5, 08:26 PM
I might just be missing something here but how does this imply that Apple is putting thunderbolt in here?
I can see where they made the minidisplay port (which is the same form factor as thunderbolt) a dual channel now instead of just a one way channel but wouldn't it say thunderbolt instead of minidisplay port? or is a dual channel minidisplay port just a thunderbolt port? and if minidisplay is on the current 30-pin how is it currently used--do you need an adapter for USB to minidisplay?
i guess i am kind of answering my own question here but does that mean in the future if apple were to say make its own TV one could use the 30-pin connector to plug right into the back of a TV (into a minidisplay port) and play movies/music like that without the need for an HDMI cable?
thx for any help or clarification!
I can see where they made the minidisplay port (which is the same form factor as thunderbolt) a dual channel now instead of just a one way channel but wouldn't it say thunderbolt instead of minidisplay port? or is a dual channel minidisplay port just a thunderbolt port? and if minidisplay is on the current 30-pin how is it currently used--do you need an adapter for USB to minidisplay?
i guess i am kind of answering my own question here but does that mean in the future if apple were to say make its own TV one could use the 30-pin connector to plug right into the back of a TV (into a minidisplay port) and play movies/music like that without the need for an HDMI cable?
thx for any help or clarification!
ender land
Apr 12, 12:55 PM
racism is more or less tolerated against a majority (at least in the USA).
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mim
May 6, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by markjs
I was drawn to this forum because I am interested in computers generally and macs almost qualify.....but seriously I poked around on a mac for about an hour today, and found that some things are less intuitive (minimizing and closing windows). Also I found that some things easily accessible in windows are not accessible at all in mac OSX. I felt like the computer was "dumbed down" for me. All in all it was a computer and pefectly capable internet machine, but at least in an hour nothing even came close to winning me ove. Oh yeah it also crashed once too.
I think you'll find that using Windows has become a habit - that's why you find it more intuitive. I know from experience that new computer users vastly prefer the mac environment. I used to tutor a couple of classes for CAD where many people hadn't used a computer before. We had both mac and windows machines. Some people prefered the windows machines - because that is what they were used to. I can't remember I new computer user who gravitated towards a pc, rather than a mac. Not only is the interface quite clear, but you're right - it seems dumbed down. Exactly what they wanted.
Now OSX is hardly a dumbed down system. It seems simple if you leave it alone. But you can call up a full unix shell very easily, and control many many things through the comand line interface. You also have Applescript - which is similar to Rexx in old unix environments - it allows you to script functions in the system and most programs very very easily. Very powerful. Nothing like it right out of the box in windows. And for true powerusers the c-prompt in windows is so un-itergrated with the main system that it's a real pain to use.
I can think of various things in Windows that are easily available - but shouldn't be. Like virtual memory setting, video settings, virtual devices, etc. I - now using computers for 20 years - have made the mistake of deleting the scsi device drivers in Windows. I mean, all my drive were IDE! Right? Wrong. The Scsi drivers were required to run the ATAPI layers which allow various software to read from the CD-drive! This kind of cr$p doesn't happen in osX. Everything that needs to be hidden away is. You can get to it, but you should never ever need to.
OSX is more stable. Not by much anymore, but enough that any serious sys admin would run a server using it rather than windows. That says a lot. OSX is more sophisticated in a number of important ways - you should read about Quartz Extreme (the graphics system). It uses some impressive technology (basically old - yes - similar to unix systems, but far more advanced than anything Windows has to offer).
It has saved my job on more than one occasion - things >work< in osX, even when they're on the edge of the capability of the machine...I've had jobs where the same process just crashed faster windows machines (this was mostly when dealing with large graphic files...).
Despite all this - the reason I love macs is the design. Where can you find cases like them in the pc world?! Not just good looks either - you should play with a power mac case...you can open the entire case to expose the motherboard fully without turning the damn thing off! I would have killed to find a PC case like that when I was repairing computers.
And don't forget the iApps either. Beautiful designed hardware, beautiful designed software. There is no equal to iTunes or iPhoto on windows. There is not. I have paid money for and been through literally hundereds of programs. Nothing can compare.
dickrichie is right - we are proud to use beautiful, efficient tools. That's what the mac is.
I was drawn to this forum because I am interested in computers generally and macs almost qualify.....but seriously I poked around on a mac for about an hour today, and found that some things are less intuitive (minimizing and closing windows). Also I found that some things easily accessible in windows are not accessible at all in mac OSX. I felt like the computer was "dumbed down" for me. All in all it was a computer and pefectly capable internet machine, but at least in an hour nothing even came close to winning me ove. Oh yeah it also crashed once too.
I think you'll find that using Windows has become a habit - that's why you find it more intuitive. I know from experience that new computer users vastly prefer the mac environment. I used to tutor a couple of classes for CAD where many people hadn't used a computer before. We had both mac and windows machines. Some people prefered the windows machines - because that is what they were used to. I can't remember I new computer user who gravitated towards a pc, rather than a mac. Not only is the interface quite clear, but you're right - it seems dumbed down. Exactly what they wanted.
Now OSX is hardly a dumbed down system. It seems simple if you leave it alone. But you can call up a full unix shell very easily, and control many many things through the comand line interface. You also have Applescript - which is similar to Rexx in old unix environments - it allows you to script functions in the system and most programs very very easily. Very powerful. Nothing like it right out of the box in windows. And for true powerusers the c-prompt in windows is so un-itergrated with the main system that it's a real pain to use.
I can think of various things in Windows that are easily available - but shouldn't be. Like virtual memory setting, video settings, virtual devices, etc. I - now using computers for 20 years - have made the mistake of deleting the scsi device drivers in Windows. I mean, all my drive were IDE! Right? Wrong. The Scsi drivers were required to run the ATAPI layers which allow various software to read from the CD-drive! This kind of cr$p doesn't happen in osX. Everything that needs to be hidden away is. You can get to it, but you should never ever need to.
OSX is more stable. Not by much anymore, but enough that any serious sys admin would run a server using it rather than windows. That says a lot. OSX is more sophisticated in a number of important ways - you should read about Quartz Extreme (the graphics system). It uses some impressive technology (basically old - yes - similar to unix systems, but far more advanced than anything Windows has to offer).
It has saved my job on more than one occasion - things >work< in osX, even when they're on the edge of the capability of the machine...I've had jobs where the same process just crashed faster windows machines (this was mostly when dealing with large graphic files...).
Despite all this - the reason I love macs is the design. Where can you find cases like them in the pc world?! Not just good looks either - you should play with a power mac case...you can open the entire case to expose the motherboard fully without turning the damn thing off! I would have killed to find a PC case like that when I was repairing computers.
And don't forget the iApps either. Beautiful designed hardware, beautiful designed software. There is no equal to iTunes or iPhoto on windows. There is not. I have paid money for and been through literally hundereds of programs. Nothing can compare.
dickrichie is right - we are proud to use beautiful, efficient tools. That's what the mac is.
animatedude
Apr 24, 05:21 AM
IRS sensor to use or the Apple Remote.
blow45
Apr 14, 07:56 PM
Based on some of the posts in this one forum, it seems that most are coming from loud mouth teens who know nothing, or just want to say something for the hell of it. Geez!
not even teens, preteens, they are all over this place, and the amount they write here is inversely proportional to their knowledge and experience. uggghhh:eek:
not even teens, preteens, they are all over this place, and the amount they write here is inversely proportional to their knowledge and experience. uggghhh:eek:
macdaddykane
May 2, 06:06 PM
All this image shows is that the person measuring the white iPhone 4 has no idea how to use a caliper. The idea of a caliper isn't to squeeze the crap out of whatever you're measuring. It is obvious that the in the right picture they are squeezing much harder just looking at the discoloration of the persons skin on their thumb.
Wow, now we're holding the caliper wrong. Pretty soon Steve is gonna to release an "All thumbs have their weaknesses" video.
Wow, now we're holding the caliper wrong. Pretty soon Steve is gonna to release an "All thumbs have their weaknesses" video.
MacRumorUser
Mar 28, 04:34 PM
I traded back SSF IV and got Lego Star Wars. Whilst most reviews have said that the 3D effect was minimal, I think it's actually more impressive in Lego StarWars than in SSFIV.
Also it's not got as many jaggies Sikkinixx :p
Also it's not got as many jaggies Sikkinixx :p
rasmasyean
May 4, 10:56 AM
I don't know. Does the US military usually sell its tech to the Japanese?
Seems to me that it's a technology lots of people are working on in parallel.
Nice example. Frank Whittle (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bljetengine.htm) received the first jet engine patent in 1930. He had been in the Air Force, but they wouldn't sponsor his research - so the development was privately funded and finally demonstrated in 1937.
I think you're confusing fission and fusion.
Darpanet, indeed. But the web itself was developed in peacetime by a man researching at a (non military) Swiss research establishment (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/about/web-en.html).
The first commercial transistors were developed for telecoms by AT&T / Texas instruments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor).
The integrated circuit was invented in peace time, and it's mass production was spurred as much by the Apollo program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit) as for defence.
Interestingly, defence and space are very conservative in their use of technology and CPUs. The increase in CPU power over time has clearly been motivated by commercial market forces (non military).
Yes, I don't deny that defence money does finance innovation. But that's not the same as implying that innovation wouldn't take place if it wasn't for War. That's clearly nonsense - there's plenty of civil and commercial market forces that also spur development, and the examples you've cited demonstrate a few. War is not an essential for human or technological development, although it may speed it along a little from time to time.
I don't think you understand the progress of technological advancements. You seem to have this idea that once something is thought of in bed, it's guaranteed to be on an instant bee line to world scale distribution. While it's true that many tech breakthroughs (or ideas) can be implemented rigth away, much of the most out disruptive realizations require huge investestments with no obvious guarantee of a profit.
And there is a distinguishment between nuclear reality and nuclear fantasy (fusion).
http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-power.htm
Bollocks. It is absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Opposed thumbs, brain size, bipedality, toolmaking and speech have had the most influence on our development. As to whether we have evolved past any other species, that, I would have thought, is very much up for debate.
Yea it does. To simply put it, there's no animal in between "us" and the "nearest monkey". They are all fossils. That's because in competition, we killed "our own kind" in the strugle for survival and prosperity. That is...unless you prefer the "man created in the image of some deity" explaination.
Seems to me that it's a technology lots of people are working on in parallel.
Nice example. Frank Whittle (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bljetengine.htm) received the first jet engine patent in 1930. He had been in the Air Force, but they wouldn't sponsor his research - so the development was privately funded and finally demonstrated in 1937.
I think you're confusing fission and fusion.
Darpanet, indeed. But the web itself was developed in peacetime by a man researching at a (non military) Swiss research establishment (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/about/web-en.html).
The first commercial transistors were developed for telecoms by AT&T / Texas instruments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor).
The integrated circuit was invented in peace time, and it's mass production was spurred as much by the Apollo program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit) as for defence.
Interestingly, defence and space are very conservative in their use of technology and CPUs. The increase in CPU power over time has clearly been motivated by commercial market forces (non military).
Yes, I don't deny that defence money does finance innovation. But that's not the same as implying that innovation wouldn't take place if it wasn't for War. That's clearly nonsense - there's plenty of civil and commercial market forces that also spur development, and the examples you've cited demonstrate a few. War is not an essential for human or technological development, although it may speed it along a little from time to time.
I don't think you understand the progress of technological advancements. You seem to have this idea that once something is thought of in bed, it's guaranteed to be on an instant bee line to world scale distribution. While it's true that many tech breakthroughs (or ideas) can be implemented rigth away, much of the most out disruptive realizations require huge investestments with no obvious guarantee of a profit.
And there is a distinguishment between nuclear reality and nuclear fantasy (fusion).
http://www.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-power.htm
Bollocks. It is absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Opposed thumbs, brain size, bipedality, toolmaking and speech have had the most influence on our development. As to whether we have evolved past any other species, that, I would have thought, is very much up for debate.
Yea it does. To simply put it, there's no animal in between "us" and the "nearest monkey". They are all fossils. That's because in competition, we killed "our own kind" in the strugle for survival and prosperity. That is...unless you prefer the "man created in the image of some deity" explaination.
shervieux
Jun 18, 04:27 PM
It doesn't at the moment. The biggest capacities are 64GB. The standard allows for cards up to 2TB, when they eventually arrive (maybe in 5-10 years).
Maybe sooner than that? Well, ok maybe 5-10 years before they are affordable anyway....
http://hothardware.com/News/Toshiba-Develops-1TB-SSD-That-Fits-On-A-Postage-Stamp/
Maybe sooner than that? Well, ok maybe 5-10 years before they are affordable anyway....
http://hothardware.com/News/Toshiba-Develops-1TB-SSD-That-Fits-On-A-Postage-Stamp/
mdelvecchio
Mar 23, 03:08 PM
I don't buy it; Apple offers the Apple TV for $99 which provides AirPlay.
...and does a lot more than stream airplay. but not everybody is going to buy yet another set-top box. but everybody buys a tv sooner or later -- if apple can get $4+ per set sold, from all the major manus, why not? more TVs sell than ATVs...
...and does a lot more than stream airplay. but not everybody is going to buy yet another set-top box. but everybody buys a tv sooner or later -- if apple can get $4+ per set sold, from all the major manus, why not? more TVs sell than ATVs...
